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Revealed – how many tickets we’ve got for City


United will get 2,617 tickets for the trip to Manchester City – the same number as last year – but it could rise sharply from 2016/17 onwards.

Each season, Reds Away speaks
to the club about its plans for derby games at the Etihad and reviews whether safety measures worked.

The police report (seen on page 30 of this report) indicates most trouble at last year’s game was caused by City fans.

However, City’s stadium safety manager Peter Fletcher has told Reds Away there were instances of anti-social behaviour and blocking aisles, so this season’s allocation will once again fall below the maximum allocation we can get, which is 2,880.

Mr Fletcher said: “On a positive note, last season’s derby was probably one of the quietest derbies in respect of incidents/issues in the (away section) of the stadium since the stadium opened.

“That said, we did have paper towels set on fire at the end of the game in the away-section toilets.”

He added: “I can confirm your allocation will be the same this season as last season with the same measure in place.

“The first two rows of the upper tier will be netted off because of the continuing blocking of aisles and persistent standing in that level.

“In addition, there will be netting on the south east corner at level one because of issues between both sets of supporters continuing poor behaviour in respect of objects being thrown.

“I cannot see any increase in the next two seasons, particularly as stewards continue to be met with resistance in respect of keeping aisles clear and the amount of abuse they receive from elements of (United) supporters.”

City hope to increase the capacity by 12,000 to 60,000 from 2016/17 onwards.

Mr Fletcher added: “There are plans to extend the stadium, which should increase the capacity and, by definition, also increase the away allocation.

“It would be very helpful to your cause if your fans do cooperate with stewards for the next two seasons and if they do not persistently stand in the upper tier, there is more chance of the final capacity being set at the right level without a reduction being imposed.”

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46 comments to Revealed – how many tickets we’ve got for City

  • Oli

    Dale, the 10% rule is capped at 3000. So if City expand ground, they don’t need to give us over 3000 still. They could of course choose to have a bigger away end voluntarily, but I am not sure they would given United coming means they can sell out anyway, plus we don’t give them more than 3k despite 10% of our stadium being 7600.

  • vitty

    Good point, Oli. I’ve ammended the editorial.

  • Robert

    Its interesting to read that Mr Fletcher says that netting will be placed in the south east corner due to the poor behaviour of both sets of fans in that area. I was next to the stewards and police in that area and must say to protection was given to us from the mindless idiots (city fans) that were tossing coins and bottles. It is their own allocation that should be affected in that area and as I recall was Rio not struck by a coin from that corner of the ground.

  • vitty

    I agree, Robert, but realistically they will never take seats off their own season ticket holders for this game.

  • mark

    very surprised this has been scheduled for 4pm……. lots of drinking time = more bad behaviour incidents i would imagine?

  • nick

    Is this april fools day city to expand to 60,000 are they for real they couldn’t even sell out for there champions league games let alone most of there prem games

  • Oli

    Nick, let’s be real here, City cannot sell out PL games just as no United fans live in Manchester. It is all nonsense. They sold 98 percent of home league tickets last season, and the lower attendances were generally due to clubs with less away fans. They seriously struggled with home cup games, but then Old Trafford looked a bit sparse at times for midweek cup games and that’s when everyone was forced to buy them.
    So we can all go on a forum and take the piss but actually their putting down long term plans to keep growing, reducing ticket prices so that the new seats have 299 quid season tickets and United need to be pretty wary.

  • nick

    Oli I know a few city that have give there st up due to there prices going up even thou its not gone up that much most city fans think cause they have multi billion owners there tickets prices should stay low, and I don’t agree with 98% prem games were sold out just like ours wasen’t, and for the midweek cup games i’am sure if utd would have had city cl group everygame would of been sold out, the only benfit city expanding is we could get a bigger allocation, oli didn’t rangers and celtic have an agrement they would give each other 5 or 6k for league games? would be good if utd and city could do that

  • Oli

    Nick, unfortunately financial fair play means City can be as rich as they are and still need to screw fans on ticket prices if they want to buy players. That’s the biggest reason FFP shafts fans, owners cannot subsidise ticket prices as it reduces amount they can spend on players and wages.

    You can choose to disagree with City’s attendances last year but I’m not sure what you are basing that on given I looked up the stats before posting to be safe. Please show me evidence to the contrary. Then add to that the fact that their attendances have gone from shockingly bad to very good in 2 seasons, so of they carry on competing and bringing in young, local kids, then tthey’ve secured bigger allocations for the next generation. United charging full price for league cup games etc is driving younger kids to being city fans. They’ve also pledged all of the new seats will be 299 season tickets.

    I agree that their CL attendances were amusing, and that they layed big enough teams to sell out but instead were half empty. But remember they don’t have an automatic cup ticket scheme like us. Luckily for them.

    You’re absolutely right that Celtic and Ramgers give each other big allocations and I’m a big fan of that. I’d love for United- City and United- scousers to do that. But realistically it is not on the cards, police would try to block it etc etc. safe to say that City getting a bigger stadium won’t give us a bigger allocation.

  • Oli

    Nick, match day capacity at City is 47,500. Last season, their biggest home league attendance was 47,386 v Everton as there was less segregation than v United allowing a few more seats. Their lowest home league attendance was 45,579 and QPR only had 1600 in their 3000 seats.

    What have I said that you disagree with?

    Sorry but I like to deal with facts not rhetoric and myth.

  • KEV

    Nick I think Celtic used to get 7k and rangers 8k, even at the expense of some st holders, so certainly realised that away fans added significantly to atmosphere, occasion, but that seemed to be tradition, which police obviously thought was manageable so didn’t insist on lower allocations, whereas English police, local councils would need to completely change their views, so I dont see bigger grounds over 30k resulting in bigger allocations in most cases, clubs obviously build new/increase grounds because they think there’s sufficient demand from their own support rather to sell more to big away clubs, because if cant at least sell out for those bigger glamour games why move/increase stadium in the 1st place!
    Re City away isn’t it stadium design that current away end cant accommodate full 3k, so if away end doesn’t relocate then no away fans would get benefit of any increase in capacity anyway.
    On

  • nick

    Yeah there stats from city oil just like utd say there is 75,500 at ot every week, think they played west brom or swansea at home near end of season when we had won the league there were empty seats everywhere yet they said it was a full house, even when they played arsenal in the league there were rows of empty seats which you could see clearly on the tv, I agree with you oli also on getting young fans on board when they played villa in the league cup they were giving 100’s of free tickets to local schools across manchester something united would never do

  • Oli

    I don’t think City (or United) care if the seats are full or not as long as they get paid for them.

    If they can sell 60k at City and 5 people turn up, financially is reason enough to have expanded the ground.

    You’re also moving the goalposts of the converstaion slightly given I said games were ’sold out’ not full in the first place.

  • nick

    I hope they do extend it see how many people they get all the years they have give it us about having glory hunting fans and if it back fires on them only getting 40,000 odd we can take the piss even more

  • vitty

    Nick – I think you need to be aware of the difference between selling a ticket and that ticket being used.

    All clubs, including City and United sell tickets that are never used for various reasons.

    But, as Oli said, as long as people are paying for those seasons, the owners aren’t bothered.

    The main reason for expanding is to make more money from ticket sales.

  • KEV

    FFP makes it crucial for City, Chelsea etc to increase stadium capacity to raise the income needed for success, remember rich owners can spend unlimited amounts on stadium, training ground, academy etc, so city and Chelsea shouldn’t fall away because of FFP, but need to invest more in future structure rather just the here and now, tbf city seem to have a clearer plan for the future than Chelsea or especially Liverpool, Tbf Oli, united have a great price for U16s at £10 a game STs, £13 members but city would better priced for adults, plus kids ticket availability at OT for new ticket holders tends to be in NT3(don’t know if off putting but somebody has to sit in there

  • Oli

    Kev, completely agree with all that.

    Chelsea approach has always been short term – buy players, chop and change managers, screw fans, no stability. city actually invest a lot more in infrastructure, community relations, local scouting, cheap community tickets etc. united are not all bad at all, and we certainly have a long term approach too – eg Moyes not Mourinho – but on ticket pricing and the league cup game pricing especially we are missing a few tricks on getting fresh blood into the stadium. The club view is that this has been a record year for St renewals, but the shouldn’t take us for granted too much given how quickly things may change if postbFergie doesn’t go to plan.

  • Higgo

    Agree Oli. I’ve continually said when it comes to the League Cup and in certain instances the FA Cup that United are missing out on a whole generation of potentially new supporters by not budging on ticket prices. I’m amazed at how short sighted the powers that be are on this issue.

  • Eddy

    ive had my 14 year old son on waiting list for season ticket this year but theres only tickets available in tier 3 @ £190 if he wants to sit anywhere else in the ground you have to pay full adult price ! he doesnt like sitting up in tier 3 so we have decided to stay as a member and just apply for a few games instead..are we going to lose the next generation of united supporters ??

  • Will

    Eddy, I thought you could get child tickets in the family stand (hence the name!) in the corner of the south stand and stretford end unless they’ve stopped this for the coming season?

  • Robert

    Eddy a mate of mine got adult and jnr in family stand area for the coming season , whether it was just luck or him continually pushing the ticket office I don’t know.
    You should consider you and your lad finding a local official Man Utd supporters branch and joining it, you may find it easier to get match tickets through them.

  • Oli

    Sorry to hear that Eddy.

    Child tickets should cost the same (or 50% of whatever the adult price is) no matter where in the ground they are. Just as OAPs don’t have to sit in a particular section to get their discount.

    The club have made a few changes over reason years to concession tickets (introducing 16-18 prices etc) so in my view, having more child tickets available should be the next one fans push for.

  • Eddy

    will,robert i enquired about the family stand but they are all sold out already for next season just wish club would offer alternative parts of the ground other than tier 3 & family stand .cheers eddy

  • Oli

    Eddy, I went back to the club and asked about this. I got a quick reply which is good considering people i spoke to were in Oz. They say that OAPs can be say anywhere but they actively discourage from kids being located all over stadium due to language and a whole host of other practical concerns. They do, however, want to ensure that there are more child friendly areas and are therefore looking at significantly increasing size of family stand. They say it is unlikely to happen in time for this season as ST renewals were really high and don’t leave room to do it, but is on the cards in next 12 months. Think they’re well aware that getting more kids in at kids pricing is something Gill didn’t do sufficiently.

  • Higgo

    Good one Oli. That’s great help for Eddy and others in a similar situation.

  • Eddy

    nice one oli for enquiring on our behalf ! that would be great of the club if they could sort this out for next season as im sure we are not the only family in this situation. get them in young and they will be the next generation .cheers eddy

  • Tommy

    “I don’t think City (or United) care if the seats are full or not as long as they get paid for them.”

    Oli if United was half full how much would the club lose out on in kiosks sales and through day tripers spending money in the megastore before and after the game?

  • Oli

    Tommy,

    Firstly, Manchester United don’t get money from cash spent on refreshment stands. They sell off a license for others to operate them, who then make the profits, it would clearly have a long term impact on the value of that deal, but total of that deal per season is not especially significant anyway.

    Secondly, go and do some research on what percentage of merchandise is bought on a match day versus online globally or ankle stores worldwide etc. Tiny fraction. That’s why Nike deal set to nearly double when shortly announced, despite more empty seats than a decade ago.

    Thirdly, given there are over 50k season tickets, 10k execs and an away section, what percentage of the ground is ‘day trippers’ in the megastore anyway?

    IF what you were saying was correct, League Cup tickets would be half price. But after years of empty seats, it hasn’t costed the club enough to change the prices.

    Clearly any club wants seats full rather than not full, but the side issues like food kiosks are totally irrelevant.

    Oli

  • Oli

    Where my post above says ankle it was supposed to say Nike!

  • KEV

    Higgo I totally agree league cup games should be discounted regardless of opposition, however fa cup against lower teams is different thou for 2 reasons, 1
    Club can state sell outs against Exeter,Crawley and healthy crowd against Burton midweek. 2. Think a discounted price needs to apply to a competition rather than opposition your playing. A chairman of non league/league 2 clubs for example know we have a ACS, were fans have agreed to purchase all full price fa cup games upon purchase of ST, with no game to game opt out. So every right to block discount of tickets as not to miss out on revenue. As we know from last season Chelsea have set discounted prices for cup games rather than deciding dependant on opposition. clubs that don’t have a ACS can state to opposition the importance of discounted price to attract a good crowd.

  • Tommy

    For certain FA cup games against non league or lower league opposition its unfair to reduce prices Higgo because the % of money they get from ticket sales (Not totally sure how much % it is), for e.g. I remember last season suporters groups of Luton Town complained to the FA that Norwich were charging too little, think they charged £10 adults and £1 juniors, which well annoyed Luton, the money a non league side can make from playing a premier league club can keep them going for years, Although I dont understand the club charging full prices for league cup games, the prices for tickets go up for knock out champions league games so in my view should go down for league cup games irrespective of the opposition

  • baz

    I see our 1st home match is kick off at 2000 not 19 45 so sky pick the kick off time

  • Oli

    Baz, yes Sky choose kick off time, otherwise it would be on Saturday at 3pm. Doesn’t that go without saying?

  • KEV

    Swansea website ticket news for mufc game states Swansea are looking at ways to cut the cost for travelling fans of both Swansea and opposition fans, plus good on Stoke doing free coach travel.
    BAZ MNF games always 8pm so sky aren’t going to be dictated to by our fans, tue/wed different however so forum want a set ko time.

  • baz

    I.agree it is good off stoke do away free coach travel .be nice if United drop price for home cup tie this season

  • Oli

    Well done Stoke. nut before comgratulating Swamsea, is worth noting Swansea were the only Premier League trust to NOT support a campaign for lower away supporter ticket prices a few months back. They claimed their priority was cheaper home tickets, too stupid to realise that a) it would help their own away fans, and b) the governing bodies are prepared to argue away fans are a special case with disproportionate importance but won’t do anything on home tickets and tell clubs what to do. So thanks for nothing guys!

  • KEV

    I was stating what was said on Swansea website, not giving them early credit.
    Oli do you/Must get the feeling that the PL will force through cheap away tickets, or is it very much PL ands clubs discussing together, as if a choice I’d say more clubs will choose alternative’s such as free/cheaper travel, as subsidising ticket price would be basically PL clubs admitting PL prices are too dear.
    While I’d welcome it if forced through, Im surprised the the fan groups and/or authorities haven’t sought wider opinion on this idea, as how do majority of home fans feel about away fans getting in some cases a lot cheaper ticket than them, when most fans don’t/cant follow their team away so wont benefit themselves. That another reason I could see clubs going with alternative ideas to help their away fans.

  • Oli

    Kev, I don’t think the PL will ‘force’ anything as the clubs are their bosses essentially and generally they struggle to make them do anything, they just suggest and inform.

    Where I do think there is a positive sign is that the clubs, generally, agree there is an issue with away attendances which needs to be addressed and they understand away fans are disproportionately important for atmopshere etc. However, all 20 clubs seem to have different views on what the problem is exactly and what to do about it. Some clubs, for example, think it has nothing to do with them and find it easier to blame recession, petrol prices, kick off times and train fares. Do they really think the ticket price doesn’t matter at all?!

    In reality, this does have to be led by the PL as there is no incentive for one club to act alone and a) lose money and b) be helping another club’s fans but not their own. I’d only welcome cheaper away tix at OT if it also meant cheaper away tix for me at other grounds I suppose.

    The other issue is timing. Nothing will happen in the next year. The PL have been quite strong with clubs on other issues, namely financial transparency, and so there is only so much that can be done in the short term. But i do think in the next 18 months things will happen and, in the meantime, some clubs will start to make moves towards it individually (like Stoke and the travel subsidy).

    I’m not sure the FSF campaign that all away tickets should be £20 is realistic. But it is a useful tool for fans showing unity and pushing the issue onto the agenda of the clubs.

  • KEV

    Problem is if its forced or voted through by majority of PL clubs then then some have less incentive to do anything, Mufc,Afc,Lfc,spurs do all sell even if away clubs take a reduced allocation, and take Mufc for example, are away fans at OT a concern to them given they tried to relocate them to the least desired section seemingly not concerned with important atmosphere you say away fans add.
    Then for our own away fans couldn’t they decide to do nothing as our tickets sell out and heavily oversubscribed regardless, could naively presume our fans don’t need help with costs. The most I could see them doing is free/reduced coach travel departing OT For successful ballot applicants as 1. Reduces amount of fans eligible or who want to take up the offer, 2. Most cost effective using a travel partner, 3. Pleases travel partner as increased custom.

  • KEV

    Meant to problem if not forced/voted through. And those 4 clubs sell out

  • Oli

    Kev, if majority pass something through, all 20 clubs have to do it. The ones who disagree cannot continue to ignore it, that’s the point of collective decision making, so wouldn’t matter of they have an incentive or not.

    There’s no point over analysing implications at this point when there no proposals even on the table.

  • Oli

    Ah, just seen your second post. So ignore my reply!!

  • KEV

    That would be my hope that the smaller clubs(the majority) would vote through something positive and others would have to follow, I agree FSF 20 is plenty campaign is priced to low to be successful, maybe they shouldn’t have fixed a price but instead focus on a ST average pricing for similar seating and non category pricing, but many away fans benefit from category pricing thou, obviously £20 tickets are going to get the votes of the trusts/fan support than other campaigns would

  • Oli

    Kev, I don’t think it needs the small clubs only to back it. Look at Old Trafford, how many clubs brought 3k last season? Very few and defo less than 5 years ago. So United would benefit from it too potentially if it attracted more away fans.

  • KEV

    Not sure utd would see it a benefit if they had to sell away section cheap tickets regardless of the extra away fans it would attract, but expect they would be open to other ways of ensuring good away section attendance,economy aside no doubt price rises that turned OT away section from being one cheapest to maybe the dearest in the PL for many fans given we don’t categorize(rightly so) games has been a big factor in drop of away fans, but likely other smaller factors as well like our games being accessible to watch on Tv or otherwise etc, will be worth noting if stoke take a full allocation in October.
    Personally would have no problem with category pricing if away fans weren’t included.
    On a different issue, it was disappointing that lots of STHs in the quadrants don’t welcome singing sections, personally feel using lower quadrants is a bit small-scale but better than nothing. Hopefully “supporting our new manager” will increase the atmosphere this season

  • Oli

    “Personally would have no problem with category pricing if away fans weren’t included.”

    Totally agree. The main reason is that the home fan only gets ripped off a few times a season whereas the away fan of a club like United gets ripped off every week.

    However, the away ticket price banding is a real problem for us to deal with as only a small number of clubs (basically us and Chelsea and perhaps City in the future) suffer from it. Most clubs only real band just and their biggest rivals (ie a club like Everton only really charge us and Liverpool that much more). So in many meetings United are a lone voice taking issue with it, no one else really cares.