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Real Sociedad ticket information confirmed

Reds have got a total of 1,728 tickets for the away match against Real Sociedad.

Of those, 1,558 are in the normal away end and cost £43 and 170 are in the VIP end among the home fans and cost £68 each.

Executive members, season ticket holders and One United Members can apply from 08:00 tomorrow until 08:00 next Tuesday.

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193 comments to Real Sociedad ticket information confirmed

  • Josh

    Can’t see many people getting sorted resigned myself to cancelling hotel and stuff tomorrow.

  • Charlie

    Mike L – Tough, lots feel disadvantaged that TCS offer tickets to non members full stop. I couldn’t be happier that TCS does not run from London, for painfully obvious reasons I don’t care to explain

    Josh – the more that cancel, the more chance there is for me tomorrow, so I am hoping lots follow your lead

  • Ed

    Birch – re successfuls with no credits, see my post at 6.36pm yesterday. Re everyone else anxiously waiting on the 2nd ballot, consider this (because if nothing else, it will take your mind off being chubbed again, for 5 minutes !)
    Mike L – we want less TCS flights, irrespective of where they go from, not more ! You’ve got Ryanair from stanstead to every 2 horse town in europe to make up for it ! – support the extended euro loyalty pot campaign and you can fly cheaply and independently from there for half the price of a TCS trip !)

    Serious comment time – It’s probably fair to say that there’s a general concensus on here and other forums, that there’s probably around 800 tickets to be allocated to those with no credits this season. Unlike most domestic aways, a euro away is possibly what most euro travelling reds look forward to most each season and the maximum no. of these trips is going to be say, 3 to 4 (apart from runs to a semi or final and for the every gamers) For that reason, i.e. because it’s extremely important to all of us/them, it wouldn’t surprise me if 80-90% of every single applicant for this game has either posted on one or other forum OR been included anecdotally in peoples experiences of chubbings or not – yes it seems that there’s lots of people without at the moment BUT, we really dont know the actual maths of how many actually are still without, and how many tickets the TO still have to allocate. Fan opinion IS taken seriously within the club, Oli, possibly Dale and others have suggested that these forums are read closely ‘upstairs’ and despite some peoples’ ill informed comments, Oli’s recent ‘campaign’ re a longer period loyalty pot can’t have gone unoticed. To that extent, it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if a large proportion of those in the 2nd ballot get sorted tomorrow – yes there will still be some disappointed, but until we get to that point, consider that the TO are genuinely trying to get this ‘right’ for as many genuine reds who are intending to travel and not tactically applying. The down side of this is that there may be unused/uncollected tickets and even though that is sacrilege, it could be a stepping stone to a longer period euro loyalty pot that would take the lottery element out of this particular set of circumstances. I still reckon there’s a very good chance this is a Braga scenario, if i’m proved wrong tomorrow, i’ll happily hold my hand up, but either way, please could everyone look back at Oli’s comments about this and try to understand what he was anticipating and has now come to pass. Good luck again to all 2nd balloters tomorrow

  • Charlie

    Well said Ed

  • Mike L

    Charlie/Ed – we all want a fair system and I agree with your comments on less TCS tickets if you like. But if this is the way the club wants it to go then we have to support our countrywide fans who help fill our stadium and away grounds every week.

  • Birch

    Great post Ed. You have expressed my feelings on this better than I have been able to.

    I still find it strange that there seems to be substantially more chubbed than with tickets but that might be more to do with those without tickets ranting on here and other forums and those with doing something better with there time.

  • Charlie

    Mike L – If TC did 2 planes, one from Manchester and one from London, as opposed to both from Manchester, then some from Manchester (whether 10 or 100) would have to travel to London – and they shouldn’t have to (keep in mind I am now one of those that would have to travel).

    You will never sell me on TCS from London, ever

  • Ed

    Maybe as a trial for the Leverkusen game, Thomas Cook should run a plane from Malta and one from China, i’m pretty sure they would fill them with reds who are just as loyal as us northen based part timers….

  • Mike L

    Charlie – I think you are assuming all our fans live in Manchester. There would definitely be demand on a flight from London. I can tell you the flight to Kiev the other week from Gatwick had quite a lot of local Reds. What I think you are saying is you do want TCS full stop and I fully agree here. But then “normal flights” are not always and available – Cluj for example. I think we have exhausted this thread. Let’s stop fans without a credit history from getting tickets – so I support a Euro loyalty pot.

  • Kev

    Spot on Ed, Mike a large amount of reds find themselves having to fly from London for many euro aways instead of the Northwest because of cheaper and/or direct flights as it is, and because of the prices and availability from London TCS deals would likely look uncompetitive when you forget about the ticket aspect, they did put up some London flights on the website for a recent Euro away but was soon took off, Manchester flights should be the limit for TCS as once they start offering flights/tickets for other airports and Hotel/tickets packages it becomes a joke. I appreciate that we have non manc support but their has to be limits.

  • Charlie

    Mike L

    I can’t tell whether you are being patronising or just stupid.

    I am not assuming that all our fans are from Manchester and believe it or not, i understand the complexities of supply and demand well enough to know there would be an interest from London if TCS were to fly from there.

    A plane from London would encourage hundreds more that wouldn’t otherwise go to apply. I didn’t think I would have to break it down in words so simple but there you go.

    You and I do agree on one thing though and that is we don’t agree on TCS full stop.

    I don’t want this hijacking this thread, this is about RS so I’ve said my piece

  • Ed

    Mike – Correct me if i’ve interpreted any bits of your post incorrectly, but to summarise, You dont want a euro loyalty pot because it stops Johnny Come Latelys from having as much chance as a seasoned euro awayer, you want 4 international airports within 60 or so miles of where you live to cover flights to just about every possible euro destination causing you the least inconvenience as possible BUT, when this isn’t enough, you’d like a TCS flight from your nearest airport as a back-up ? Did you forget to mention moving euro home matches to Wembley to make it more ‘convenient’ ?

  • Josh

    Can anyone explain the logic in club holding tickets back and giving more hope for people been chubbed. I would rather see them allocate the lot then people who are hoping for a credit and are successful can return them rather then leaving it now to if they are sucessful there’s going to be a good few spares in are end. Cannot see the logic in it at all with what you are suggesting.

  • Andy

    While your at it can I’ve a TV plane from Dublin please! Flying to Biarritz is killing me!

  • Ed

    Josh – previously not the done thing to highlight this should more try it BUT, think we’ve moved on from it being a secret to the point where it actually needs to be fully understood to gain support for a ROLLING EURO LOYALTY POT(has that been mentioned before ?)The logic of United holding tickets back for the 2nd ballot(if indeed they actually do this, it IS just speculation) is a result of fans ‘tactically applying’. It is thought that some fans apply, with no intention of going but hoping they AREN’T succesful so that they get a credit. If you get a ticket in the first ballot and don’t actually want to go then 1.You’re spoiling it for the rest of us ! and 2.You have a small window to cancel it at which point that ticket can be put back into the 2nd ballot pot, increasing the chances of those not succesful the first time. The second ballot allocates tickets without the chance of cancelling and means someone not travelling will still have to pay for it and not get a credit. United operate the second ballot to ‘discourage’ fans from tactically applying and by holding back more tickets for this, may be hoping to weed out the ‘tacticals’ An unfortunate consequence of this however is that those still ‘risking’ it can mean allocated tickets that have no chance of actually being used. Personally, i think anyone not collecting their euro away should have say, 3 euro credits knocked off their ROLLING EURO AWAY LOYALTY POT score – that would discourage it !

  • Oli

    Ed, great post and one which has rightly been praised by others. Sadly I do think my ongoing rant about credits not being used from next season started off being taken seriously by the club when 50 comments were nearly all supportive, but then the debate went sour and more varied and when there is mixed opinion by fans, club may as well do nothing. There were under 1000 rejections for Sociedad but that’s obv a significant number when such a small allocation.

    Mike L, I am southern based and I completely DISagree with you.
    1) I want less TCS flights
    2) it is not the club’s fault that I live 200 miles away
    3) if TCS get two planes, they aren’t going to have one from London, so would need more planes- something I’d oppose
    4) when we have had big allocations like Milan they did do them and they weren’t full anyway
    5) plenty of independent fans run charters to euro aways from the south anyway
    6) London has flights everywhere anyway
    7) if going with TCS is so important to you, do it from Mcr anyway, no further away than every home go journey anyway to get to plane

  • blinky

    3 euro credits knocked off, how about banned for 3 seasons like new season ticket holders arent allowed to apply for domestics

  • Oli

    Blinky, so you buy a ticket for a euro away, your child gets ill the night before and you get a 3 year ban? You honestly support that?
    For me it is about having an incentive to not do it – ie now you can’t get credit without going so little incentive to apply for most games – plus you could say miss more than 2 a season and it can’t be coincidence.
    But to have a blanket three year ban in anyone who misses a game at late notice? Nah.

  • blinky

    Course not, just sounding off

  • Charlie

    Oil, under a 1000 rejections, that’s interesting. At least everyone who applied will get BL which is good.

    I have no idea what will happen tomorrow ballot wise

  • Josh

    Thanks for explaining your point Ed. I am unsuccessful so am hoping for one tomorrow. Good luck to everyone I just hope people who are genuinely wanting to go get them and others rejected.

    Oli, you seem to have some information RE numbers and figures ? Any idea on how many were returned today ?

  • Ed

    thanks Oli, I do believe there is mileage in persuing the loyalty pot ‘campaign’ – it would ‘firm up’ the current system which whilst well intended has some fundamental flaws (Donetsk/Sociedad being a great e.g.)

    blinky, that thought had crossed my mind ! was trying to be reasonable. what I genuinely believe there should be is a system that rewards loyalty over a decent period of time (not just the last match as we have for RS or 1 season as we have overall now – 3-5years is where i’m at) Allow new STH’s and members to apply for TCS trips immeadiately but not for 3 years for ticket only, AND give them a credit for going on that TCS trip (United/TCS kept happy as it encourages new starters to fill their plane.) At a given point in the application process where supply exceeds demand – newbies could be allowed to apply for ticket only ie Galatas/Donetsk. This allows them to build a rolling pot along with any established STH or OUM and within a relatively short space of time, become rewarded for their loyalty if they intend to follow United in europe long term. Credits knocked off for non collections is essential, it would wipe out the practice in a stroke. This wont solve the problem of demand exceeding supply, no system can, but i’m sure it would make it a lot more equitable for those who deserve it to be.

    I’ll have missed something here, please feel free to pick holes in it !

  • blinky

    Ed your spot on with what your saying, should be looked at.
    I done 3 of 4 last season and didnt do shaktar

  • Dell

    Just get rid of members applying that rule equal to a STH is pure an utter bolox

  • Alex

    I’m not sorry to say this but I will never support a euro loyalty pot, I’m starting on euro aways coz I want to see UTD play away, iv put up with the domestic away fiasco shit far too long, I will try my best to go to all euro aways, those of you who got it sorted domestically are now trying to monopolise the ticketing system for your own good and I fully intend to take this matter up with the club.

  • Kev

    It makes perfect sense to charter flights from other airports for Finals but otherwise no.
    Ed, surely if you allow new applicants to get tickets for low demand games like Donetsk then they should be able to benefit from their credit by being able to go to more popular games independently rather than just having one choice of TCS.
    Agree with a penalty for non collection but not a ban from applying, maybe those who genuinely couldn’t collect could avoid penalty by showing proof of booked travel but not gain credit.

  • Luke

    Alex your comment is idiotic. If you had done Euro aways for a sustained period you would realise very few games, especially group stage, sell out therefore it is not hard to get on the ladder. All we ask is that those who have done the most over a substantial period (most loyal) are rewarded when anomalies (such as Ukraine followed by small allocation) arise.

    Under 1k rejected. I’d be stunned if we have anywhere near 2,500 actually in San Sebastián. I suspect a lot of tactical applications denying loyal reds.

  • Ed

    Alex – everyone in the domestic loyalty pot loves it, 40000+ other STH’s aren’t so keen and the problem is that it’s a closed shop (although the Club/Forum IS genuinely looking at this.) What i’m advocating is a euro loyalty pot that is open to everyone and in a short space of time would be to your advantage if you want to become regular euro away red – apply for as many games as you genuinely want to go to and within 2-3 years, you will be successful for a lot of the games where demand exceeds supply. You WILL still get a euro away ticket for most matches, more so if you’ve been to the 1 or 2 previously or as first timer for games like Galatas last year or Donetsk this year. Put yourself in the shoes of someone who went to 4 euro aways last season, but missed Donetsk and now haven’t got a ticket (yet) for RS – would you like that scenario if it was you or do you think that someone who has been to 4 out the last 5 United euro aways and probably 15+ in the last 5 years shouldn’t have any priority over someone who may never have set foot inside OT and bought a OUM yesterday !! – if I cant convince you that this isn’t fair then you dont get what this is about – IF YOU INTEND TO GO TO EURO AWAYS ON A REGULAR BASIS, A EURO LOYALTY POT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU NEED AND DESERVE – Trust me, honestly !

  • Luke

    Also a European loyalty pot is he wrong way of describing it to the more simple people on here. No one is suggesting an all or nothing, either in or out system like the domestic LP, we just want credits to count over a number of season, say three. To make it even fairer, you could say previous seasons’ credits only come into play when people are tied on credits this season. That would mean no one who went Donetsk would be chubbed for this but those who did 2/3/4 last season would also be rewarded. Sounds very fair to me.

  • Dell

    Agree, Going to be a lot of reds tomorrow who have no intention of going getting one and then lads flights and all sorted wont have one. Be a shambles tomorrow wait and see

  • Luke

    Finally, I’m fairly certain co-op travel used to quite regularly run London flights, too

    I’m not against TCS, I have used it in instances where I would have been guaranteed a ticket anyway but there should be some internal loyalty system and cap on tickets given to them.

  • Charlie

    If I get chubbed tomorrow and loads others do as well then so be it, there will be loads out there in the same boat.

    If reports filter back at the end of the game that there were empty seats on mass, I will be fucking furious

  • Luke

    Final, final comment (I promise)

    The beauty of the loyalty system in Europe is it’s very dynamic, ie easy to drop out of if you stop going as you personally need to collect your ticket for euro aways. This, sadly, is nigh on impossible to implement on a domestic basis.

  • Oli

    Josh, Vitty has more info on all the numbers than me and will do an article tomorrow. I just had a quick chat with a contact who have me number of rejections.

  • Oli

    Luke and Charlie’s last comments – both spot on

  • Ed

    Kev – very good points – the devil is in the detail with someone like this, the fairness would be about agreeing at what point newbies could start applying for ticket only for all games – maybe after 2/3 years OR when they’d registered say 3 collects for those games they’d collected for – Alex, this would apply to someone like you and you’d be very quickly up the loyalty ‘ladder’. Proof of booked travel in an appeal to the TO would be an excellent way of not penalising, not at fault non collects but the TO would need to agree to resource that -all makes sense in theory to me though.

  • Luke

    One credit per game works fine. No need to change that just make it for a number of seasons. Perfectly simple.

    Some good comments tonight, Ed. I like the proof of flights for failed collections.

  • Alex

    Why do it from 2,3 4 yrs ago ? These issues have only arisen coz of the games on offer in this years group stage , if we had drawn Turkish team along with say zenit and Donetsk would this debate be on, would there be so many effed off reds ? Bollox would they , lets say this euro loyalty pot is put in for next season and we get say psg away, relatively easy to get to n prob a top trip, all those who have attended this years games will get sorted and new fans starting next year don’t get a sniff, same shit starts again with complaints club had screwed over fans wanting to get on euro away ladder, no system is perfect we all know that but the present system is not bad at all n should stay how it is

  • Oli

    Alex,

    To pick you up on a few things in your post which in my view don’t stack up:

    Firstly, under the existing system, fans not going to games this season wouldn’t get for PSG of first game next season anyway as there is an existing and sensible roll over. The illogical nature means that applies of PSG is first but not if it is second. Irrational. Regular travellers shouldn’t be so drastically affected by the luck of the calendar.

    Secondly, fans can always get on the ladder. There is always availability for one or two group games a season, so every fan can go to a group game and then be sorted for the knock outs. And if a new fan comes along and can’t pick the exact first game they want to get on the ladder for, then tough, they can wait until the next game. Our of the three group games, they will have freedom to go to one or two of those based on usual pattern.

    The current system as you say IS mainly good, but that’s not to say it can’t be slightly improved or tweaked as what others are proposing would give more reward to loyal regulars but still give new fans a chance every season to get on ladder by a) the fact we have plenty of unsold tickets for many games and b) the fact you get a credit by being chubbed anyway.

    What you seem to be suggesting is that a new fan comes along and should be able to hand pick their favourite group game and everyone else should be pandering to that. I don’t see why that’s the case if regular fans who miss one game don’t get any form of reward themselves. Based on your logic to extremes, let’s get to cup finals and do a random ballot for all MU fans/ members – give new fans a chance to get on the ladder when we have big games.

    Oli

  • Luke

    Summed up nicely, Oli.

  • ed

    Kev takes the credit for that one, I was just supporting it. It’s clear however that there’s a strong collective support for some change re Euro always from a lot, if not all of us – maybe a debate to re-open during the cold winter months following Leverkusen….

  • Shane

    While I appreciate that the no returns policy after the 2nd ballot is there to deter folk playing the system it’s clearly a risk numbers are willing to take. For a game like this where it looks like a good few of us will be travelling ticketless, it obviously grates if tickets go to waste because the 2nd ballot inevitably gives tickets to some not travelling. As with Charlie, I can accept being locked out or paying a tout for a home end if the demand genuinely outstrips supply. But to have spent hard earned money to travel and not get in when there are tickets going to waste is hard to swallow. Probably not practical in large nos but that is where phone outs are effective at ensuring tickets go to those that will use them.

  • Charlie

    Shane, as you know I agree completely.

    Hopefully it won’t come to that and we will all get sorted tomorrow. There’s me hoping